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Quite often, I get into debates on doctrine, explanations of Bible Scriptures, etc., on my favorite posting board, 5 Doves. On this page, I will share some of the more "interesting" debates. I pray these will answer some of your own questions for you. Love to you in Him! Peggy
END TIMES -
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The all-seeing eye of Horus (Marlene & Peggy)
I don't know what your dream means, but I can tell you of the symbolism in your dream.
Posted 3/20/09 -
Does the Third Temple Have to be Rebuilt Before the Final 3.5 Years of the Trib? (Susan & Peggy)
Posted 3/16/09 -
Is Israel the "Fig Tree" of Matthew 24? (article by Pastor Dale Morgan)
Click the link above to find out. Thanks much to Arthur Day for sending me to this article! -
Judgment of America & the Christian (by Tom Gaston)
I feel that there is a "subject" which needs to be addressed here. It is a subject concerning judgment upon America. There are many who are "terrifying believers" in Christ and telling them that they need to "prepare" and "get ready" for God's judgment which is coming upon this country. What judgment, or which judgment are they talking about?
Posted 4/3/09 -
Possible Scenario - Question/Answer (Stacy & Pastor Riley)
Pastor Riley answers a question from Stacy on 5 Doves posting.
Posted 6/2/09 -
The Real Meaning of Matthew 24:36 (Ken Schortgen & Peggy)
Most, if not all have assumed this meant that no man knew when the ‘Rapture’ would take place… the day or the hour, but this indeed contradicts 1 Thess 5 does it not?
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Satan Causing Bickering on the Doves, and My Apologies (Sherry & Peggy)
Posted 3/16/09
ETERNITY -
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Are there two separate places where people go after death? (Frank Molver & Peggy)
There are not 2 separate places for God's people. That is something you construed.
Posted 5/1/09 - Ending to our "debate", 5/7/09 -
Is OSAS Scriptural? (Mike Vande, Peggy, & Frank Molver)
Added Frank Molver's response to me, and mine to him. (6/5/09) <- NEW!!!
(Mike’s words) In the below verses the way I take them is that my relationship with Christ has to be maintained according to verse 23. (if I continue and am not moved away) it sounds like it is being taught that one can lose ones position with Christ. (If) is a small word but it exerts a lot of power.
Posted 6/3/09 -
Once Saved, Always Saved... truth or fiction? (by Ron Graham) <- FEATURE!!!
As we read and study our Bibles, there should be a voice speaking to us, reminding us to take in the full council of God. Too many Bible teachers will take one verse out of Scripture and build a doctrine on it. Even though that scripture is qualified by other scriptures and the teacher has drawn an erroneous conclusion, the wrong interpretation is still taught as truth. The controversy over “once saved, always saved” is one of those doctrines.
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Outer Darkness (by Peggy McIlveene)
There have been some erroneous postings lately on my favorite Christian posting board, 5 Doves, suggesting that Christians who don't "produce" enough good works for the Lord will be thrown into Outer Darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth... until they are "worthy" enough to enter Heaven.I cover the following topics In this article:
- What is the Bema Seat Judgment and What Is the Purpose?
- Who Is Bound for Outer Darkness, and when?
- The Parables of Evil Men Cast Out of the Kingdom at Judgment- More Weeping and Gnashing of Teeth
- The Angels Who Left Their Estate
- Conclusion
Posted 3/30/09
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Response from Paul Phelps RE: Where different people go after death
I am surprised that there's so much heavy objection from Fivedove readers to the two-covenant and multiple-destiny viewpoint. Your explanations, and Pastor Riley's, are clear and Biblically based and also very satisfying -in that God's plan is seen in a more expansive way.
Posted 5/20/09
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The Three Locations of Paradise (Joe Hoyle, Frank Molver, Kevin Heckle & Peggy)
You’re right, Joe, John the Revelator WAS called UP to the 3rd Heaven! All these discussions with Frank Molver, Kevin Heckle, and you, caused me to delve deeper into studies on Paradise. -
Where Did the OT Saints Go When They Rose With Yahshua? (Dean Fox & Peggy)
How do you address the reference in Matthew 27:52-53, where the "saints (OT?) who had fallen asleep were raised; …and they entered the holy city and appeared to many"? It appears that they were resurrected.
Posted 4/16/09 -
Will All Of Us Die? (P & Peggy)
Posted 3/15/09 -
Will the Earth Last Forever?
Posted 3/16/09
GENERAL CHRISTIANITY -
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Are You a Brave Evangelizer? (Blaine Escoe & Peggy)
When it comes to evangelizing….I’m a chicken. You bet there is nothing I want more than to spread the Gospel to as many as I can. But, I actually fear approaching people and talking with them.
Posted 6/22/09 -
Christians Who Are Anti-Semitic? Can Christians Sin? (Rene & Peggy)
Posted 3/16/09 -
Must Christians Follow the Torah? (Peggy & Father Yahweh) <- FEATURE!!!
Here are His Words, as written down for us by the Apostle Paul...
Posted 5/28/09
THE RAPTURE -
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How Can We Know If We Are Worthy? (Tracy Dee, Marie Komar, & Peggy)
Tracy Dee was worried that when Yahshua comes to call us Home at the Rapture, she might not be worthy enough to be included. Below is her initial posting, and many responses she received from fellow Doves in response to her concerns. Marie Komar thinks that if the Rapture is very large, she may be included, but only if it's large. Does only part of the Bride go in the Rapture? What do the Doves have to say?
Posted 3/30/09
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IS the Rapture Imminent? (Phil Rogers & Peggy)
(Phil's words) This doctrine that Jesus could and can come back for His Church AT ANY TIME does not hold up under the scrutiny of Scripture and or History!! IT DOESN'T EXIST!! And since it obviously DID NOT EXIST for the Church in the past years mentioned, IT STILL DOES NOT EXIST!! -
Is There a Pre-Trib Rapture?
Posted 3/16/09 -
Is There More Than One Rapture? (Randy, Mic & Peggy)
Posted 3/16/09 -
Joseph's 7 years of famine ; the pre or mid trib debate (Chelsea Brown & Peggy)
Debate between Chelsea Brown, Mark Coepfer, me & Simon-Philippe.
Posted 4/7/09 -
Just ONE Rapture?
First of all, since I’m pre-Trib, I believe those who have become born again in the Spirit during this present dispensation will go up immediately after the dead in Yahshua are resurrected BEFORE the Trib. To be worthy of this Rapture, you would have had to accept Yahshua AFTER He was crucified and resurrected, since He was the propitiation for our sins.
Posted 4/20/09 -
L's Critique of My "Is There a Pre-Trib Rapture Article; My Response (L & Peggy)
Posted 3/16/09 -
My Pre-Trib Rapture "Theory" Is False? (Georges & Peggy)
do you really want to risk this? what does GOD thinks of you if the selfish pretrib rapture theorie is false? Does he will think, wow I died for her and she doesn't want to die for me, no man has greater love then the one that dies for others, we have to follow CHRIST, to become like HIM, but you are only looking for a rescue.
Posted 4/17/09 -
A Time of Rest? (Glenn Berg)
I have noticed a number of problems with a Pre-Tribulation Rapture interpretation of Paul's teaching. In 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10. As you are aware both Pre-Tribulationists and Post-Tribulationists believe that these verses refer to the Second Coming, but as far as I can see it doesn't make sense from the Pre-Tribulation Rapture theology. In Verse 10 it says he will come to be glorified by his saints, it mentions nothing about those who are supposed to have been raptured before the Tribulation. Where are they?
Posted 4/17/09 -
The Two Pentecosts (KC & Peggy)
So this year, 2009, actually ties the Christian date of Pentecost to the Jewish dates for Shavuot encompassing the three days of May 29, 30, 31.
Posted 4/15/09 -
What Is the Restrainer? Has Satan Already Been Cast To Earth? (Sherry & Peggy)
Posted 3/15/09 -
What Makes Us Worthy to be Raptured?
My pleasure, GF! There's NO way I would allow you to be frightened of our Lord when I know better! As for the Rapture, I'm not sure WHERE they get the idea there's more than one Rapture of the Church, but there is not... there is only one. And those who go in the Rapture are true, born again, washed-in-the-blood Christians... ALL of them! (2 Timothy 4:7-8)
Posted 4/20/09 -
Will Some Christians Be Left Behind? (Pam - 5 Doves posting)
Somewhere along the line, I think you have received some inaccurate teaching. I do not believe that there will be “left behind Christians.” When you come to Jesus, and you give your heart to him, have you made yourself righteous? Could you have paid the price, for your own sin, of breaking the Ten Commandments?
Posted 5/29/09
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Will the Living (True Church) Rise Immediately After the Dead In Yahshua? (Steve Coerper & Peggy)
I don't see anything in scripture that requires that the resurrection of the dead in Christ and the rapture of believers happen at the same time. It says the dead in Christ will rise first, THEN we who are alive and remain shall be caught up.
Posted 4/13/09 -
Will we have physical as well as spiritual bodies after the Rapture? (Merianne & Peggy)
I have heard a prophecy teacher say that when we believers get raptured that our bodies will be lying in the streets, like empty skins and that we exist as spirit only in Heaven. I disagree with this teaching. I believe that when we get raptured, we will get our resurrected bodies and when Elijah and Enoch were raptured, they didn't leave bodies behind. Anybody hear about this teaching and what are your thoughts. I had never heard of this before until a couple of weeks ago. I think it's nuts.
Posted 4/20/09 -
Will We Hear the Trumpet Blast? (by Peggy McIlveene)
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Worthy to Escape All These Things (by Peggy McIlveene)
This article (complete with a multitude of Scriptures) is intended to settle some spiritual issues as to who is/is not worthy to escape "all these things".
Posted 5/21/09
THE TRIBULATION -
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Are We In the Tribulation Already? (Kevin Drake & Peggy)
(Kevin's words) This third “week” of 7 years, matching the third set of 7 years in the Genesis account, IS what is commonly referred to as Daniel’s 70th Week! We are in it now!
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Are We In the Tribulation Already? (part 2) (Kevin Drake & Peggy)
(Kevin's words) Once you figure out what modern day nation is Mystery Babylon, you have the identity of the antichrist. Mystery Babylon is America, no matter what other prophecy teachers say. For crying out loud, most of them are still looking for the antichrist to come out of a revived Iraq (ancient/modern Babylon) or Rome/Europe, while the kingdom of the antichrist has been forming all along right under their prophetic noses! “If the blind lead the blind…”
Posted 6/10/09 -
Beating up the Bride and Wheat and Tares (Richard Cumming & Peggy)
Refining our faith is NOT the reason for the Tribulation. The Tribulation is to bring to faith the remnant of Jews and the remainder of the Gentiles that will come to faith at that time. That’s why it’s called Daniel’s 70th week; Daniel was Jewish, and the Scripture says...
Posted 3/23/09 -
Beating up the Bride and Wheat and Tares, Part 2 (Richard Cumming & Peggy)
Posted 3/25/09 -
He Sends a Strong Delusion (Susan Bentley & Peggy)
(Susan's words) This passage in scripture has always bothered me! How could a loving God send a strong delusion on unbelievers so that they disbelieve even more? Would it not be more merciful NOT to send a delusion but to send a message of hope so that more souls could be harvested after the tribulation?
Posted 5/2/09 -
Is the Tribulation 7 Years In Length? (Weldon & Peggy)
There is no seven year period anywhere in The Revelation or the New Testament – it’s a total theory based on someone’s interpretation of the “70th week of Daniel” with no real scripture support – they have just made scripture fit their theory.